He's gonna make me do it! [SHE'S POUTING, I HATE THAT SHE GETS SO BRATTY ABOUT AKIRA IMMEDIATELY] If I say that you're making him do it, are you gonna back me up?
[will she resort to this? maybe.]
Anyway - that's fine. I was going to ask more specifically about it, though. Did Yu's killer hear about the ultimatum faster than the rest of us? Is there a role attached to it?
[she wants to know how to doxx heart too???? though she'll also answer easily enough - ]
I think that whoever killed Yu knew about the ultimatum before the rest of us, and that's what motivated them to act. What I'm not sure about is if they asked you for that before the rest of us, or if it was a role assigned to prevent the rest of us from suffering because no one killed. Something like the roles to take out monsters ahead of time, or kill the corrupted. A necessary evil to buy the rest of us time.
[like, for the record, she still dislikes it? it's obvious in her voice? but she still can't want to annihilate it.]
I'm also entertaining the theory that the shoes were tossed into the lake on purpose to try to hint to us that we shouldn't believe the footprints we found, but even I know that's a stretch.
If you missed the other I'm not repeating it. [no!! but at least they seem to be listening as their hand pets one of the elephants, nodding along as she lays everything out but neither agreeing or disagreeing, really.]
Not that I don't think the fact that Yu's killer getting away is important, but let me ask you something. While you focus heavily on finding them , what will you do when someone else ultimately steps in to continue preventing the horrible outcome? Will you split your focus on trying to find Yu's killer and the new killer, too? Or will you leave behind that trail to chase the new one?
[AND SHE WILL because this is just one big bully circle]
I'd probably do both. [she just answers this sincerely] But we got Yu's killer wrong, and I do hope that we won't get it wrong two weeks in a row.
It feels wrong - to not have answers. And the three of you can't really give them to us, so all we can do is occupy our time trying to put together old pieces.
[WHY!!] Hey, I'm acting as your carrier pigeon and this is the thanks I get?
[mean teenagers...] Things will be different. I won't lie to you. Things will be different and things will be harder. You can't get discouraged, but you can't keep playing this game the same way you've played your others.
How many answers did you have from Mikazuki and Roxas early on?
I'm treating you the same way I'd treat anyone else. [JUST! EASILY! BECAUSE SHE IS
but she's just going to sigh.]
Taako told me that... And the truth is not many - but I'm not getting answers from Tsurumaru either, except once a week. So I'm supposed to be asking around for information from other people?
Which I am trying, but they're all nervous from the secrets and consequences. It's slow-going.
...Taako's pretty smart even if he won't admit it. Like. He will if he thinks you're insulting him but otherwise he'll just wave it off. But yeah. Asking around isn't the worst idea even if you guys can't share all of your secrets just yet. It's a matter of feeling each other out, building up trust, and seeing what groundwork you can lay before asking bigger questions later on.
[...but ugh.] Don't get too stuck on the small stuff. Sometimes clues and things you've learned turn out to be things that draw away from the larger picture. Instead of thinking "who is Yu's killer", perhaps the better question is "What about Yu made him specifically a target?" Rather than "Why did someone do this", consider "what else could drive others to this?"
Justice is important, I get that. But you can't spend all of your time only focusing on finding out who's guilty each week. You have to use your head and look at the design of the overall game and start to see the layout. Does that make sense?
[ . . . . she squints at this, and some part of her immediately wants to argue over it.]
... I'm going to do both - because I don't think we can get all that many answers out of just speculation. We need to catch the people who are committing the murders in order to get answers out of their mouths, right? It's the easiest, fastest, and most honest way.
[though she'll admit that's the case for moving forward. she's still going to look for yu's killer, but...]
... the design of the overall game...? The design is.... difficult to trust each other, but we can do it in small ways. One or two people each week, to discern who's on which team. Learn their powers, use it to catch them later?
[ . . . ]
That still takes too long... People are still getting hurt while we're occupying ourselves with that.
I suppose I should be commending you for at least using your anger and impatience constructively. [hm.] You're all emphasizing on powers a great deal. The powers are meant to help you defend yourself or, worst case scenario, attack someone as necessary. But plenty of great mysteries have been solved simply by knowing a person's taste and personality and their opinions. If people continue, they're bound to be clever in what they're doing especially since this isn't the first time you've all done this.
I'm not saying your way is wrong. Because it's not. But I am saying that you're going to continue to frustrate yourselves by trying to force answers into existence.
But what else do I have to do until we get our answers...! Are you saying they're out of touch entirely?
Last trial - did we find all the pieces necessary? I feel like with what we had, we couldn't have solved anything even if we all knew each other from previous settings.
[very glad this has become two morons pouting in a pile of animals.]
It's sort of what I'm saying, yes. What you do is gather more information not entirely relating to each week's case. It's the application of what you know that's the most important thing. You have point a which is your question, and point b which is your answer. But you have to build a bridge between your points or you'll fall right through the cracks.
There's no guarantee that getting an answer to just the one question you have now about one instance will help down the line.
...but yes, I do believe you found everything necessary last week. But frustratingly so, sometimes your evidence isn't as concrete as a pair of shoes.
We failed last week, but it's experience for the week going forward.
[SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO POUT YOUR WAY THROUGH YOUR PROBLEMS]
I don't get how I'm supposed to build this bridge, though.... [OH THE FRUSTRATION] Where should I even be searching? I can't go into any more locked cabins yet...
[why is this a yet]
I plan on using time more effectively this week if it comes to that - but it still doesn't feel right to turn a back on a mystery when it cost two innocent people their lives.
[she doesn't care about yu or ogata as like. people. horrible but true.
it's just the principle of the thing that she has trouble letting go.]
...I get the feeling you're not going to like what I have to say to that, so. [that's not promising.]
Nothing says you have to forget or betray the mystery you're working on. Just...don't let it be your focal point. Like. Here. [let's just draw in the fucking dirt i guess. they draw a box. please pretend they're drawing lines like a flow chart as they talk.] Start with this as your main problem which is how to win the game and get the hell out of here. Now...if you have a murder here, it seems to connect to nothing. However, if you only stay on this mystery here, and this second one appears over here...how will you connect them? You go back to the source and see what may have changed. Two innocent people lost their lives, but two other innocent people lost their lives first. Casualties will occur, but it's all the more reason not to get stuck on them. You have to move forward in order to loop back. You can't...you can't find answers to old questions, sometimes, until you're a little into the future and things start to make sense.
So as someone who has lived more than you have, take that as my advice. Don't get frustrated about getting stuck. It's not always about time...sometimes it's about timing.
[it's time for drawings in the dirt - but at least lili will entertain it, gingerly crouching down so she can watch him drawing the flow chart.]
I don't really want to hear you talking like an old man. [but she'll entertain the rest, thinking it over]
... so we need to progress further, and let time continue, and then figure out how to connect everything together? So if we can't get answers about Yu's murder now, it might take revisiting it in a later week and connecting to - if there's a murder this week, and analyzing the connection?
Which will ultimately lead to us dismantling the game?
Well that's a shame because I'm kind of an old man in the first place. [but there's a nod.] That's precisely it, yes. You can't expect answers right from the start, Lili. You sometimes have to wait for the right information for everything to click into place.
And the only way to get the right information is to talk to others and find out what you can.
Tragic, isn't it? [so yes.] While it's important to socialize and try to know as much as you can, never be ashamed to take an evening off to be with the people you're most comfortable with. It's a good way to recharge and regroup.
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[will she resort to this? maybe.]
Anyway - that's fine. I was going to ask more specifically about it, though. Did Yu's killer hear about the ultimatum faster than the rest of us? Is there a role attached to it?
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but. ah.] That's not something I can tell you even if I did know the precise answer to that question. What're your theories on it right now?
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[she wants to know how to doxx heart too???? though she'll also answer easily enough - ]
I think that whoever killed Yu knew about the ultimatum before the rest of us, and that's what motivated them to act. What I'm not sure about is if they asked you for that before the rest of us, or if it was a role assigned to prevent the rest of us from suffering because no one killed. Something like the roles to take out monsters ahead of time, or kill the corrupted. A necessary evil to buy the rest of us time.
[like, for the record, she still dislikes it? it's obvious in her voice? but she still can't want to annihilate it.]
I'm also entertaining the theory that the shoes were tossed into the lake on purpose to try to hint to us that we shouldn't believe the footprints we found, but even I know that's a stretch.
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Not that I don't think the fact that Yu's killer getting away is important, but let me ask you something. While you focus heavily on finding them , what will you do when someone else ultimately steps in to continue preventing the horrible outcome? Will you split your focus on trying to find Yu's killer and the new killer, too? Or will you leave behind that trail to chase the new one?
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[AND SHE WILL because this is just one big bully circle]
I'd probably do both. [she just answers this sincerely] But we got Yu's killer wrong, and I do hope that we won't get it wrong two weeks in a row.
It feels wrong - to not have answers. And the three of you can't really give them to us, so all we can do is occupy our time trying to put together old pieces.
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[mean teenagers...] Things will be different. I won't lie to you. Things will be different and things will be harder. You can't get discouraged, but you can't keep playing this game the same way you've played your others.
How many answers did you have from Mikazuki and Roxas early on?
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but she's just going to sigh.]
Taako told me that... And the truth is not many - but I'm not getting answers from Tsurumaru either, except once a week. So I'm supposed to be asking around for information from other people?
Which I am trying, but they're all nervous from the secrets and consequences. It's slow-going.
So how would you advise I play?
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[...but ugh.] Don't get too stuck on the small stuff. Sometimes clues and things you've learned turn out to be things that draw away from the larger picture. Instead of thinking "who is Yu's killer", perhaps the better question is "What about Yu made him specifically a target?" Rather than "Why did someone do this", consider "what else could drive others to this?"
Justice is important, I get that. But you can't spend all of your time only focusing on finding out who's guilty each week. You have to use your head and look at the design of the overall game and start to see the layout. Does that make sense?
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... I'm going to do both - because I don't think we can get all that many answers out of just speculation. We need to catch the people who are committing the murders in order to get answers out of their mouths, right? It's the easiest, fastest, and most honest way.
[though she'll admit that's the case for moving forward. she's still going to look for yu's killer, but...]
... the design of the overall game...? The design is.... difficult to trust each other, but we can do it in small ways. One or two people each week, to discern who's on which team. Learn their powers, use it to catch them later?
[ . . . ]
That still takes too long... People are still getting hurt while we're occupying ourselves with that.
[impatient,,]
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I suppose I should be commending you for at least using your anger and impatience constructively. [hm.] You're all emphasizing on powers a great deal. The powers are meant to help you defend yourself or, worst case scenario, attack someone as necessary. But plenty of great mysteries have been solved simply by knowing a person's taste and personality and their opinions. If people continue, they're bound to be clever in what they're doing especially since this isn't the first time you've all done this.
I'm not saying your way is wrong. Because it's not. But I am saying that you're going to continue to frustrate yourselves by trying to force answers into existence.
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But what else do I have to do until we get our answers...! Are you saying they're out of touch entirely?
Last trial - did we find all the pieces necessary? I feel like with what we had, we couldn't have solved anything even if we all knew each other from previous settings.
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It's sort of what I'm saying, yes. What you do is gather more information not entirely relating to each week's case. It's the application of what you know that's the most important thing. You have point a which is your question, and point b which is your answer. But you have to build a bridge between your points or you'll fall right through the cracks.
There's no guarantee that getting an answer to just the one question you have now about one instance will help down the line.
...but yes, I do believe you found everything necessary last week. But frustratingly so, sometimes your evidence isn't as concrete as a pair of shoes.
We failed last week, but it's experience for the week going forward.
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I don't get how I'm supposed to build this bridge, though.... [OH THE FRUSTRATION] Where should I even be searching? I can't go into any more locked cabins yet...
[why is this a yet]
I plan on using time more effectively this week if it comes to that - but it still doesn't feel right to turn a back on a mystery when it cost two innocent people their lives.
[she doesn't care about yu or ogata as like. people. horrible but true.
it's just the principle of the thing that she has trouble letting go.]
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Nothing says you have to forget or betray the mystery you're working on. Just...don't let it be your focal point. Like. Here. [let's just draw in the fucking dirt i guess. they draw a box. please pretend they're drawing lines like a flow chart as they talk.] Start with this as your main problem which is how to win the game and get the hell out of here. Now...if you have a murder here, it seems to connect to nothing. However, if you only stay on this mystery here, and this second one appears over here...how will you connect them? You go back to the source and see what may have changed. Two innocent people lost their lives, but two other innocent people lost their lives first. Casualties will occur, but it's all the more reason not to get stuck on them. You have to move forward in order to loop back. You can't...you can't find answers to old questions, sometimes, until you're a little into the future and things start to make sense.
So as someone who has lived more than you have, take that as my advice. Don't get frustrated about getting stuck. It's not always about time...sometimes it's about timing.
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I don't really want to hear you talking like an old man. [but she'll entertain the rest, thinking it over]
... so we need to progress further, and let time continue, and then figure out how to connect everything together? So if we can't get answers about Yu's murder now, it might take revisiting it in a later week and connecting to - if there's a murder this week, and analyzing the connection?
Which will ultimately lead to us dismantling the game?
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And the only way to get the right information is to talk to others and find out what you can.
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I've allied myself with Yin Yu, Dick, Akira, Ash, Dimitri, Natalie, and Flayn by now -
Do I really have to get to know more people?
[she says it like - obviously she will if she has to. but also she's tired. sometimes a girl is bad at socializing.]
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[ookurikara.........]
... the tasks were all pretty sappy this week, huh?
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[just. flat out.]
There's only one person I really want to go on dates or show affection to, but I couldn't fulfill both tasks with him?
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You know there are sliding scales for dates and for affection don't you? Not all of them have to be strictly romantic.